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Geoffrey

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OOC: Feast at Winterbourne Stoke
« on: May 22, 2015, 12:55:38 PM »
I rolled (and failed) on a courtesy check but then realized I'm not sure Rodric needed one.  After a re-read it sounds more like it's only Cedwyn that's currently there.

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Re: OOC: Feast at Winterbourne Stoke
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2015, 01:12:02 PM »
Yes, it was only Cedwyn.

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Re: OOC: Feast at Winterbourne Stoke
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2015, 08:41:08 AM »
Would a 'wife trawling' roll be seen somewhat negatively?  Would you make a single roll, or one roll for each attempted interaction?

Also, would you allow the bonus from glory to be added to the roll(s)?

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Re: OOC: Feast at Winterbourne Stoke
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2015, 09:07:43 AM »
No bonus for Glory directly, though your glory will factor into how receptive the ladies are to your advances.

"Wife trawling" is a common practice, actually. Marriages in this day and age are for money, power or political ambition, seldom for love. It's more of a business arrangement. Also, the vast majority of the eligible ladies at this feast are here because they are actively looking for a husband, so keep that in mind.

A general "wife trawling" roll will get you a pool of one or more potential candidates who are interested in exploring possibilities. If you don't like the pool you get, you can toss them back. You may have other opportunities later, depending on the RP. Also, once a pool is found, you'd need to pick one to proceed.

If you move on a specific target (either by choosing one or by selecting one from a trawling pool), other options are off the table. Once you make your intentions clear to the crowd by attempting to woo someone, the other ladies will back off.

Note also that you could also try seduction at events like this, which might result in an illicit tryst (which might lead to an affair), but that is more of a Pagan thing to do than a Christian one. Pagans value the Lustful side, Christians value the Chaste side of that trait.

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Re: OOC: Feast at Winterbourne Stoke
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2015, 11:25:32 AM »
Would using the chosen skill to trawl affect how we'd be perceived?  For example, would using flirting or romance to find a receptive pool or individual be seen any different than using courtesy or orate?

Also, if a skill value is 0, does that mean there's no chance for success using it?

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Re: OOC: Feast at Winterbourne Stoke
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2015, 12:20:51 PM »
A value of zero (net) automatically fails, and can still fumble. Values below zero are possible, and increase the chance of a fumble similar to how skills above 25 increase the chance of a critical success.


Using a given skill will play out differently, and will impact the perception of others regarding the knight. Also, certain ladies may prefer certain skills. For example, say there is a Lady Ileen who is known as a flirt. She may appreciate someone who approaches her with that skill over someone who reads poetry - if the flirting is well executed.

Both of you have zero for Romance because in that time, romance is not really something knights practice. It will become important later in the game. However if you write convincing dialogue in a romance attempt (for example) I will award a bonus to the roll, and you may well succeed despite a lack of practice.

The same holds true for other things - it does not have to be simply a roll for every skill. Cory, for example, could write out the opening remarks he wishes to say, and depending on the quality, brevity, humour etc. I may award bonuses to the effective skill value, or even declare that he passed the check without a roll. The game rules encourage such player participation.

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Re: OOC: Feast at Winterbourne Stoke
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2015, 12:51:27 PM »
Rodric has two ladies who seem to indicate initial interest.

One is a young girl named Habren. As the second daughter of an esquire, she is below you in status and would have a modest dowry. but you do recall the late Sir Gwyn was the son of an Esquire, so great and heroic things might come from such a union. She is very beautiful [APP: 18] which might go a long way to bridging the social gap, but honestly there would be little glory in the pairing [Glory: 10]. On the plus side, she would be easier to woo. As the daughter of a commoner, she may lack the training the wife of a knight would normally have. She is very petite [SIZ: 4] Her father is a servant of Earl Roderick, who was elevated to Esquire for some service to the Earl. His daughter is technically a noble, though of lower rank. Father's name is Cedrych.

The other lady that shows any interest is Lady Heulog, the second daughter of a vassal knight. She comes from a large family, with 5 brothers. Her father is the same social status as you are. Her dowry will not be great either, but there is glory to be had in the pairing [Glory: 100]. As the daughter of a noble, it is far more likely that she is trained to be the wife of a knight, and so would know the appropriate wifely skills. She is also attractive [APP: 14], but would be a more difficult challenge to woo. She is a little shorter, but much closer to average height. [SIZ:7]
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Re: OOC: Feast at Winterbourne Stoke
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2015, 02:36:14 PM »
What effect on game mechanics does all that have?  I'm guessing not having wifely training means fewer to no ranks in skills related to managing a household and possibly increasing its income?  What about APP scores, what are the benefits of having the higher score?

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Re: OOC: Feast at Winterbourne Stoke
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2015, 02:54:22 PM »
Yeah, a commoner likely doesn't have the same level and quality of training as a noble wife would. That's not a hard-and-fast rule, but on the balance of probability, a noble wife has more opportunities to learn the skills a noble wife would need, 

Here's the baseline skills any noble wife would be expected to know.

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Skills:
Awareness 2
Chirurgery 10
Compose 1
Courtesy 5
Dancing 2
Faerie Lore 3
Falconry 2
Fashion 2
First Aid 10
Flirting 5
Folk Lore 2
Gaming 3
Heraldry 1
Industry 5
Intrigue 2
Orate 2
Play [harp] 3
Read [Latin] 1
Recognize 2
Religion [choose one] 2
Romance 2
Singing 3
Stewardship 5
Swimming 1
Tourney 1

Combat Skills:
Battle 1
Horsemanship 3
Dagger 5.

There's no hard game mechanics I can quote you that I have found related to APP, but in general someone with a higher APP will be more noticed by others and be able to influence situations, people and discussions easier. A beautiful wife would earn you bragging rights among others - some knights would overlook some flaws and shortcomings to have a beautiful wife. It depends on their temperament.

Also note that this is just initial explorations of possibility. This does not commit you to marriage yet. If you and a lady are interested (and even if she is not), then negotiations will begin with her father or guardian (or in the case of a woman twice-widowed, with her directly). How strongly she is in favour would likely influence the negotiations with her father/guardian in your favour, so there is something to be gained by winning a potential wife's affections.

There may be other events during Winter Phase that will give you other opportunities, but the closer spring comes, the more pressure you will be under.

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Re: OOC: Feast at Winterbourne Stoke
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2015, 04:14:05 PM »
Cedwyn's efforts after dinner attract quite a bit of interest. His courtesy when speaking to young ladies turns heads in the room, and before long he has a small flock of ladies that seems to express interest in further acquaintance.

[I'll post details later.]

[GM Note: Rules, KAP Pg 109]

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Re: OOC: Feast at Winterbourne Stoke
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2015, 10:54:32 PM »
Candidate #1: Gwenith, the fourth daughter of Ffernfael, an Esquire in the service of Sir Elad, the King's Martial. Her father is a commoner, but as the child of an esquire, she has higher social status that her father. Sir Elad elevated Ffernfael, who was previously a common soldier, for some service rendered on a military campaign against the Saxons. She is quite tall, and also quite thin, seems of average health and average appearance [App 9]. Her father is not a noble, but she is considered to be, so there would be some glory in the marriage. Her father is not a wealthy man, however, so there would not be much of a dowry. Still, having an ally in the household of Sir Elad, the Earl's Marshall could bear great dividends in the end. As the daughter of a commoner, she may not have the training to be a noble wife. [Glory 10]

Candidate #2: Felinete is the eldest daughter of an Esquire by the name of Glyn. He is in the service of Sir Hywel, Banneret of West Lavington. Glyn was elevated to esquire some years ago by Hywel's father, and you do not know the circumstances. Glyn had children late in life - three previous wives died in childbirth with their offspring. Glyn is getting on in years, but has a young wife that bore him healthy children. He is not a rich man, but his elevation means the eldest daughter is a noble, though below you in rank. She is also quite tall for a lady, but seems to have the muscle to fill out her frame. She seems very light on her feet, and dances with some skill, though she seems to get easily winded. She is above average in her appearance: a pretty enough girl but no great beauty [APP 12]. As the daughter of a commoner, she may not have the training to be a noble wife. [Glory 10]

Candidate #3: Habren (pagan name) is the 5th daughter of the very large family of the vassal knight Sir Phylip of Berwick, a manor in the west of the county. As a vassal knight, he holds the same social status as you do, and there is significant honour in marrying into that family. Habren has but one brother, who is heir to Sir Phylip's estate. Sir Phylip is known as a pagan, eschewing christian ways for the pagan rites. Habren supposedly follows her father in this. Habren is a little above average height, and slightly less than average build. She is, however, quite a beauty [App 16]. [Glory 100]

Candidate #4: Ysbail is the second daughter and child of Sir Marvin of Durnam is a vassal knight in service to the Earl who's manor is jest northwest of Sarum. Ysbail had 5 brothers, one older than she. You do not know much about the family - they tend to keep to themselves. You know Sir Marvin is married, but have never seen his wife - a mildly unusual situation. Sir Marvin's estate is better off financially than yours, and he only has two daughters to arrange dowries for. Ysbail is of average build and height, and seems to have a strong constitution, if her dancing is any measure. She is also quite beautiful [APP 18]. [Glory 100]

Candidate #5: Aeron (pagan name), is the 6th daughter of an esquire by the name of Gruddyeu, in the service to a banneret in the east named Sir Jestin. You do not know any details about his elevation, but as a typical pagan, Gruddyeu has a large sprawling family, and if rumour is true, many illegitimate offspring as well. The father lives a modest life in the household of Sir Jestin. Aeron is quite tall for a woman, but lithe and thin and light on her feet, though seems easily winded. She is startlingly beautiful - she seems to almost have an otherworldly quality about her [APP 22]. [Glory 10]

Candidate #6: Arianrhod is the third daughter of Sir Ffranc of Idmiston, a vassal knight who runs a well-off manor just northeast of Sarum. Sir Ffranc is known as a steady, if unimaginative knight, and is well known for his loyalty. Arianrhod numbers 5 brothers among her family, so little chance of inheritance there. But the manor is better off than some, so the dowry might be reasonable. As the daughter of a vassal knight, a marriage would earn you significant glory. Arianrhod is a little shorter than average, but fills out her petite frame nicely. She seems healthy and light on her feet, and is quite beautiful [APP 18]. [Glory 100]

The daughters of vassal knights would generally be more difficult to woo. Marrying down in social status is always easier.

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Re: OOC: Feast at Winterbourne Stoke
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2015, 11:13:14 PM »
So wooing them... What do I do next? I'd like to see about pursuing Ysbail.
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Re: OOC: Feast at Winterbourne Stoke
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2015, 11:28:55 PM »
Well you pick one, and we see how it goes. She doesn't really have a say of course, but if you can stand one another you'd approach her father.

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Re: OOC: Feast at Winterbourne Stoke
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2015, 12:16:59 PM »
I know Cedwyn decided to pursue Ysbail.

I thought Rodric had made a choice as well, but I cannot find a record of it. Was it Habren (the beautiful daughter of an Esquire, APP 18, easier to woo] or Lady Heulog [daughter of a vassal knight, APP 14, harder to woo]?

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Re: OOC: Feast at Winterbourne Stoke
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2015, 02:02:25 PM »
Sorry, no official decision yet but I'm leaning towards Lady Heulog.

Caelyn has decided that not only are cat naps good enough during the day, they're good enough for a large part of the night so sleep has been hard to come by and it makes it hard to think.  Having played for so long, Altarka and Karvis are almost a reflex but getting into character for Rodric is proving a bit of a challenge with the limited brain power.  It's also easier with all the posts being basically combat related, not much creativity required, and for Trax...well it's Trax. :)